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April 21, 2005

Country "broadband"

We had a call on the Jon Faine show this morning from a country resident suffering from the same appallingly slow Internet connection speeds that blight rural areas. She's 9.5km from an exchange, and therefore can't get ADSL. The best she can get is something like 4Kbps, in the early morning, and as the day proceeds, it drops depressingly.

Bleeding Edge couldn't offer much encouragement, beyond suggesting that technology would eventually increase the operating distance of ADSL, and it seems Telstra is suggesting technology that could hook up ADSL as far as 20km from an exchange is on the way.

We've had a couple of emails since then suggesting that ISDN could help. This one had some practical experience to offer:

ISDN works down a single pair. 2x64kbps fully digital channels are provided. A second phone number is also provided which uses one of the channels. It is therefore possible to have internet access at approx 6.4 KBytes/sec and still make and receive phone calls via the second channel.
If 128 Kbps internet download speeds are desired, both channels can be used for internet access but with the temporary loss of the second phone line. In practice, I found that it made no difference to the download speeds I was able to achieve via Big Pond if I selected 128 Kbps. I was once able to achieve 100Kbps on a streaming internet TV site.The rest of the time downloads averaged around 6 Kbytes/sec
I say via Big Pond because at the time it was the only platform that supPorted home ISDN. Punitive per-hour data charges were applied if the customer had the temerity to use an ISP other than Big Pond! In practice Big Pond was the only home-based ISDN compatible ISP in town (that I am aware of - believe me I tried to find alternatives to BP without success). I consider the non-BP data charges to be a restrictive trade practice. I was looking forward to taking Telstra on but couldn't find another local-call-access ISP which supports dial-up ISDN.
As it was I should have been charged 30cents/hr/channel data download charges. These charges were never actually applied. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that I complained to Telstra Country-Wide about the lack of anything approaching 128Kbps (12.8KBytes/sec) from the BP ISDN server. I also made the point that the only reason I had gone for ISDN was that my local exchange had not been conditioned for ADSL and that, as ADSL users were not charged per-hour data download charges, such charges for Home ISDN customers were discriminatory.
Now for the reason I'm telling you all this: ISDN, being digital, can improve line-speeds in the bush. No, definitely not to broadband speeds, but 6 KB/s is a threefold improvement over the 2 KB/s or lower line speeds ancountered by many country users. Telstra does not publicise the fact that ISDN can be made to work on lines 11+ km from the exchange by the addition of an ISDN specific booster to the line.
For country customers for whom the installation and/or running costs for 2-Way satellite internet access are too high, Home ISDN should at least be considered. Due to the parlous state of some country land-lines even boosted ISDN may not work, but, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
One thing that did impress me when I was an ISDN customer was the much higher level of responsive service I received when I needed it. I think a business-oriented culture within the Telstra ISDN group was responsible for this. Also, Tesltra Country Wide does in fact provide more responsive service than that provided to non-country customers. The Telstra CountryWide access number is 1800-OUR-TCW. Country customers who ring this number are automatically directed to the applicable regional TCW centre. Once they have spoken to a Telstra rep they can continue to access the same rep via the same number. I know this is hard to believe, but I can verify that this is the way it has worked for me.
If sufficient pressure is put on Testra to at least provide boosted ISDN to as many long-suffering country customers as possible, they will receive a tangible benefit. Certainly they should only connect ISDN if no data download charges are attached to their service. Hopefully these charges have by now been waived (I have not had ISDN for two years). If the charges still apply, new customers should individually negotiate with TCW to have them waived. If Telstra doesn't come to the party, they should complain to their local federal member.

Bleeding Edge has done some checking with Telstra on charges. Basically the PSTN connection has to be changed to ISDN. They send out a linesman to do this, and that will cost $190.30. In addition, the monthly line rental fee will increase from $29.95 to $45.50. (normally $29.95). Local calls will then cost 17.5c, and STD charges are capped at $1.50 in the evening. Internet and data calls cost 30c per hour. The Telstra customer support person we spoke to insisted though that the ISDN service could be used to call another ISP's 0198 number for a local call fee, so that the subscriber isn't forced (heaven forbid!) to use Big Pond. The Whirlpool forum might be essential reading on the topic.

We'd be interested in the experience of other ISDN users in the country.

Bleeding Edge also talked to the National Farmers Federation, and they pointed out that country users can take advantage of the Internet Assistance Program, which guarantees a 19.2kbps service.

Even more interesting, in our Forum, there's a post on the possibility of using Wi-Fi. The 9.5km shouldn't be a problem.

Posted by cw at April 21, 2005 03:30 PM

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I thought that we had problems at 16.9 kps! My wife spent hours on the phone hassling and asking to speak to supervisors and eventually she was put onto Internet Assist. They looked at the problem and we now get various speeds usually around 40 kps. Something else that made a difference was that our internal 56k modem was zapped during a lightening and we replaced it with an external modem which also increased the speed.

Posted by: ross jacka at April 22, 2005 09:04 AM

I'm at Point Cook about 20k from Melbourne CBD and I can't get ADSL

Posted by: TO'D at April 22, 2005 04:41 PM

I had very bad dial up, slow and drop outs. I also had two lines internet/fax and phone. Switch to isdn and cheaper rental than two lines and on an unlimited plan from BP no dial up charges for internet connection so it is as good as continually on. I use both lines get on average 15kb or so my computor tells me. Two phone numbers one phone other fax so when on internet either will automatically cutin when required and connect back to BP when call finished. Not as good as cable but does all we need. We have lots of lightning sticks up this way but Telstra/BP have always been out within a few days to replace modem and divert calls to mobile so do not miss phone calls. Lots of people bag Telstra/BP but I have always had great service. Sure I may be able to get a cheaper deal but with no dial up charges and unlimited time and download the savings would not be worth the hassle of a change.

Posted by: James at April 27, 2005 12:40 PM

As a Bigpond subscriber, I yesterday received an email from MD Justin Milne. This was my reply:

"Thank you for your invitation for feedback and comments contained in your recent email to members.

I was forced to join BigPond recently when I wanted something faster than normal dial-up without goint to satellite. As I live about 9km from the exchange (Tylden, Vic.), I'm out of range for ADSL, so my only option seemed to be Telstra's ISDN and BigPond. I'm not greatly impressed with the result. Advertised as 128kbps download speeds, or 64 kbps per channel, my average download speed in March (derived from my Bigpond account) was just 3.6 kbps per channel (323 MB in 327 downloads). In April, a measly 1.33 kbps (100 MB in 212 downloads).

I called tech. support, but they say many factors could be at play, and couldn't suggest anything to improve things. Isn't it misleading advertising to be offering 64 kbps, but delivering just 1.3?

I've heard mention of new ADSL services extending as far as 20km from an exchange. How soon can I expect that?

The above observations concern Telstra services rather than Bigpond per se. My last issues are Bigpond specific. I have been restricted in the emails I have been able to send via Bigpond, with regard to both the size of attachments and the number of addressees on a distribution list. I had no such restrictions with my previous ISP.

It really annoys me that the only way I could improve my access speeds was to switch to Telstra ISDN and Bigpond, and then to find that the service has these artificial restrictions.

What can you do about it?

Peter Hall"

Posted by: Peter Hall at May 20, 2005 01:17 PM

ISDN is only available to a few connections at each exchange that supports it....I have ISDN over satellite and it was the last ISDN line of 7 at our exchange.
ISDN has only a few lines at each exchange ....but telstra will um and arr about that unless you ask them a direct question about a particul;ar exchange.
And this new wireless is a joke with the starting slowest speed and a maximum 200MB/mth for $60/mth.....just rubbish those prices for that download

Posted by: mike at May 22, 2007 09:32 AM